Of Amy DeLong, Methodists and Episcopalians
Written by Rick Silva   
Thursday June 16, 2011

I am a United Methodist who - until a couple of years ago - was an Episcopalian.

To be honest, I didn't so much leave the Episcopal Church as it left me.  The once-great church went off the tracks, led by extremists who think that what they want is more important than what God wants.

I met many wonderful people at the Episcopal Church and it wasn't easy for me to break fellowship with them.  But ultimately the dissonance became just too much.

I would read in the Bible that men who have sex with men will not inherit the kingdom of God and then they would announce that the new pastor was a homosexual who lives with another man. I would read in the Bible that "a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh" and then they would announce that they will be marrying homosexuals in the church from now on.

Going to church became confusing and troubling to me.  I couldn't understand why they would stand up and read the Bible every Sunday, apparently not listening to what it said.  As much as it pained me to do it, I went looking for a more faithful denomination.  It's not easy to be that guy walking in cold to an unfamiliar church on Sunday morning when everybody else knows each other, but it had to be done.

The Methodist Church appealed to me because United Methodists affirm the authority of scripture.  Methodism isn't a "believe anything you want" denomination.amy_delong

So when I read about Amy DeLong, A lesbian Methodist clergywoman who recently officiated at a lesbian union, and registered with her partner under Wisconsin’s Domestic Partnership law, I got a pit in my stomach that I can only describe as a mixture of sorrow for God's people and déjà vu.

DeLong goes on "trial" on June 21-23 and will be defrocked.  But the Church needs to go further.

112 clergy in the New England Conference alone have signed a statement saying that they "will offer the grace of the Church’s blessing to any prepared couple desiring Christian marriage."  Rather than wait until these clergy take action and break their sworn vows, the Methodist Church should remove them right now.

I am aware that membership in the Methodist church is already declining (as is membership in the Episcopal Church).  Some may argue that we're not in any position to be showing anybody the door, but I disagree.

If the Methodist Church isn't going to be faithful to God and His Word then it doesn't honor God by keeping its doors open.  The Methodist Church is a great church because it stands for something worth standing for.  Once it stops standing for something, it will have no value whatsoever.

Last Saturday at the New England Conference of The United Methodist Church, a man stood up and made the most compelling argument against marrying and ordaining gay people that I have ever heard.  He stood up with a Bible in his hand and said, "I hold in my hand the Holy Word of God. It's called the Bible."  Then he sat down.

Don't get me wrong, God calls us to love all people, and that includes homosexuals.  But marriage and ordination are very different matters.  The Bible says what the Bible says.

If you are a liberal Methodist who somehow believes that when the Bible says "it is abomination" that means "God wants us to marry and ordain homosexuals," let me respectfully offer you two words: Episcopal Church.  Go there.  Take my spot.  Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.

 

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+3 John Meunier 06/17/11 07:30 pm
Just today I was readying a story about this trial that included a comment by someone who said they went Episcopalian over this issue. Your seat is already taken.
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-5 Duane 06/18/11 09:58 am
Methodism has always been a big tent with folks hearing the text from differening points of view. We welcome you and have room for you in the UMC but there is also room for Rev. Amy.
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+6 Rick 06/18/11 10:36 am
No, there really isn't. "Differing points of view" are fine, but she took a vow to "be loyal to The United Methodist Church accepting its order, liturgy, doctrine, and discipline" and then she intentionally broke that vow.

No, there is not room for that. The church goes to great lengths to craft The Book of Discipline, and they do it for a reason.
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+4 John 06/22/11 09:01 am
Rick states this well. I'd like to add that it's a matter of integrity. If I take vows and then ignore the vows I do not have integrity. If my church holds the position that a minister cannot conduct a "so-called" marriage ceremony for homosexuals - and then I sign a document stating that I will ignore that position, I am not a person of integrity.
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+3 Ed 06/22/11 09:51 am
She took that vow knowing she was breaking it at the time she took it. There are other UMC clergy breaking the "faithfulness in marriage" part as well and they should face the same consequence.
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+5 JR 06/22/11 12:43 pm
Says Duane: "We welcome you and have room for you in the UMC but there is also room for Rev. Amy." But Amy DeLong practices a different faith than that of the United Methodist Church and the vast majority of Christians. Her brand is in conflict and cannot be reconciled with the Articles of Religion of the United Methodist Church or is disciplines. It is dishonest for her to insist on remaining in a denomination whose beliefs and principles she has rejected.
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-2 Violet 06/22/11 04:39 pm
Rick, if you don't like it, feel free to go to another denomination. The Book of Discipline isn't completely based on Scripture. The ordination of ministers isn't even in the Bible. It's also interesting that of all the possible sins that could have been mentioned, Christ never mentions homosexuality in any of the Gospels.
The Wesleyan Quadrilateral asks Methodists to use scripture, reason, tradition,and experience. Since scripture doesn't answer every question, there leaves much room for personal beliefs.
I am a Methodist seminary student and also part of the LGBTQ community. I'm not "incompatible with Christian teaching."
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+3 Rick 06/22/11 05:10 pm
Methodists believe that of scripture, reason, tradition, and experience, that "scripture is primary". See http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?mid=1664

Look, it's a free country and you are welcome to believe anything you want. But there can be no debate that what you believe differs wildly from the express, written tenants of the Methodist Church: http://www.umc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lwL4KnN1LtH&b=5030645&ct=6478409¬oc=1

I appreciate your saying "if you don't like it, feel free to go to another denomination", but my beliefs jibe with those of the United Methodist Church. It is yours that don't.

No, scripture doesn't answer every question, but it does answer this one - over and over and over again.
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+2 JR 06/22/11 06:35 pm
Violet: You need to study Methodism a little more. Scripture is primary and cannot be negated by the other three legs of the Quadrilateral. And Scripture speaks explicitly to condemn homoerotic conduct. I have heard the same argument from other graduates of liberal Methodist seminaries. They don't know what they're talking about...or they do, and they prefer to twist the truth. If you take Violet's argument completely, then we can discount claims of Christ's resurrection, because none of us in our experience has ever seen a dead person stand up from the grave, and such an event would go completely against our reason.
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+2 JR 06/22/11 06:36 pm
And, traditionally, we don't sit around and eat and drink with people once they're dead.
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+4 Scott 06/24/11 08:28 pm
Violet...
So what you're saying is that subjective personal experience trumps the many OT and NT references about homosexuality? Ignoring the Biblical teachings on human sexuality might make you a half-decent Marcionite, but not a particularly good Methodist.
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+1 Chuck 07/01/11 03:00 pm
What a shame it is that we even debate the issue in our Church. Does not the Bible say the wages of sin is death. You really want to get the attention of the General Conference, try withhold your churches apportionments to you local conference in a stance aginst the issue. Best way to get most folks attention is threw their pocket....JUST SAYING.....were doing it....
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0 Robert 03/20/12 10:03 am
Wow, I have to say that it is this type of bickering and negativity (from both sides of the argument) that drives people away from Chrisitanity - not liberalism or conservatism. Why would someone who is inquiring about Christianity want to become a Christian after seeing the way you folks treat one another?
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0 Rick 03/21/12 11:12 am
I agree that less bickering and negativity is better, but that strikes me as an idle criticism. Is there something specific and actionable that you think we should be doing or not doing?

Christians love the sinner and hate the sin, but we have to stand up and defend our Church, don't we?

Christianity is wonderful in many many ways, but it won't shield you from suffering and it doesn't mean you will never have a disagreement again. I think people understand that.
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0 Paul 04/17/12 03:43 am
Reading all this made me glad to be Episcopalian.
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