How the Amy DeLong decision renders the Book of Discipline meaningless
Written by Rick Silva   
Thursday June 23, 2011
In 2008, the United Methodist Church spent $6.6 million on a 10-day gathering known as General Conference.  Almost 1,000 delegates flew into Fort Worth, Texas and spent 10 grueling days hammering out the church's policies.  Delegates worked 14 to 18 hour days in meetings, committees, debates, and legislative sessions crafting the Book of Discipline - the law and doctrine of the United Methodist Church.

Was all this hard work and expense worth it?  The answer is no.  Yesterday the answer was yes, but today the answer is no.

Today the Book of Discipline was rendered meaningless by those who want to do things their way rather than God's way.  Today a Methodist pastor brazenly and publically flipped her own denomination the bird and let them know just what she thinks of their doctrine.  In a circus trial, she walked away with barely a slap on the wrist.

At the beginning of the Book of Discipline it says, "the Discipline is the book of law for the United Methodist Church".  It is wrong.

Starting today, The Discipline is a book of unenforced laws of the United Methodist Church.  It is a paperweight.

Is gambling allowed in the Church?  Who can be a member of the Church?  How are bishops elected?  All of these questions are answered by the Book of Discipline, which was painstakingly crafted at General Conference.

But since rules are pointless without enforcement, the Discipline's answers are no longer binding.

Are same sex marriages allowed in Methodist churches?  The Discipline says no, but starting today it is wrong.  As of today, they are allowed as long as the pastor is willing to risk a 20 day time out.

Are homosexual pastors allowed?  The Discipline says no, but as of today it is wrong.

The Discipline couldn't be clearer on the matter:

The practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching. Therefore self-avowed practicing homosexuals are not to be certified as candidates, ordained as ministers, or appointed to serve in The United Methodist Church. 

"Self-avowed practicing homosexual" is understood to mean that a person openly acknowledges to a bishop, district superintendent, district committee of ordained ministry, board of ordained ministry, or clergy session that the person is a practicing homosexual.

But don't bother yourself with that old mumbo jumbo.  That's just what the Discipline says.  Starting today, you can declare yourself to be a married lesbian, decline to answer any further questions about your sexuality, and unless the bishop is actually in your bed with a tape measure, measuring the distance between you and your partner, it's not a problem.

Yesterday the Book of Discipline detailed what is, and is not allowed in the Methodist Church.  Today it does not.

Yesterday if you asked me what it means to be a Methodist I could have told you.  It was spelled out in the Discipline.  Today I cannot. 

The Book of Discipline was originally published in 1784.  It was rendered meaningless in 2011.

 

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+5 John 06/24/11 03:36 pm
Those who break vows and make vows carelessly are masquerading as UMC clergy. They are without integrity. They are described at the end of Romans 1. Of course, they discount what the Scripture says. They find it "unreliable." Instead they rely upon their own "wisdom." Ichabod!
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+3 Carolyn 06/25/11 03:41 pm
And the same applies to bishops that refuse to comply with our Discipline and have flagrant disregard of Holy Scripture. I think we need to put term limits on them...no more bishops for life!
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+2 Gabriela Perla 06/25/11 12:07 pm
It is so sad. I never thought I would live to see this happening. What about OUR RIGHTS? What about OUR VALUES? We also vote in California against this sin, and what happened?

We are now the HOPELESS, but the rights about what my kids will be taught are mine. SIN IS SIN AND THEY ARE DEAF. GOD HAS MERCY ON THEM!!!!
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+3 Rick 06/25/11 02:29 pm
It is very sad indeed. I weep for children growing up in this society today. I hardly recognize my country anymore.

The secular world is very broken, and has been for a long time. But in tough times like these, we have always had our faith community to sustain us. But now they have infiltrated even that.

The Church was where we learned the difference between right and wrong and Biblical lessons about living a good life. We learned that "Jesus loves me. This I know. For the Bible tells me so."

I guess if the Bible doesn't matter anymore, maybe Jesus DOESN'T love me.

The UMC needs to fix this, and fix it quickly.
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+2 Gana .P 06/25/11 01:49 pm
sin is sin no matter hw small it is. Note dat the wages of sin is death.
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+1 Jess W 06/25/11 05:09 pm
My understanding is Amy has pledged to preside over another same sex union, sometime in August. I suppose it's her way of extending her vacation another 20 days. But I can't get an answer to one question--Can't the church appeal these decisions to Judicial Council? Just recently, Judicial Council affirmed that pastors can deny church membership to unrepentant homosexuals. I believe strongly that Judicial Council would defrock Amy, as they have defrocked other Methodist pastors who presided over same sex unions (see Jimmy Creech).
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+1 Rick 06/25/11 11:12 pm
Excellent insights. This description of the Judicial Council www.umc.org/site/c.lwL4KnN1LtH/b.5197237/ describes it as "our 'Supreme Court'". That certainly sounds like the appropriate next step.

If the UMC intends to take some kind of corrective action - and they should - I hope that they communicate that to the Body quickly, maybe via United Methodist Communications.

People will leave the Church over this, and that would be a shame if the UMC is actually working on making this right behind the scenes.
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+1 Jess W 06/26/11 12:03 am
My understanding is that UMC former pastor Jimmy Creech and some other lesbian UMC pastor were found not guilty at trial for presiding over a same sex union, and both decisions were appealed to Judicial Council, which defrocked them both. This is my hope relative to the Amy DeLOng sentence of a 20 day vacation.
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0 Wesley White 07/02/11 11:00 pm
Jess -

As a member of Amy's Witness Team I can with certainty say that Rev. Amy is not going to celebrate a Holy Union in August. She deals with same-gender relations and covenants the same way she does with heterosexual relations and covenants. She has not been asked to do another and it takes months to honor a pastoral process regarding relationship blessing.

Your other question is answered in the Book of Discipline. The church sets the rules and processes for a trial. It cannot appeal its own procedures officiated at by a Bishop and prosecuted by an Elder. To honor the possibility of what the Judicial Council calls an egregious error of law, a person being tried may appeal to a Jurisdictional level.

Blessings on listening again that the Book of Discipline has been upheld in its processes even though there are those who, not having heard the evidence, would rather the decision had been stronger or weaker.
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+1 Will 06/25/11 11:53 pm
Too Big to Fail. Time to reorganize this business into something that will adhere to the word of God.---Sad that these big denominations are becoming like the world. The people come for truth, but find harlots in the pulpit, sell-outs, people speaking eloquiently without heart. The proof of Holy Spirit is His Manifestations. These manifestations are Anti-Christ. Leave, form a new church, are join one that sticks to the Word.
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+2 Hal Guerrero 06/26/11 01:13 am
“Better forty members should be lost, than our discipline lost. They are no[t] Methodists, who bear no restraint.”
-John Wesley, Letter to John Valton, 18 June 1782

Question: If she can't abide by the Discipline, why stay in the UMC instead of going to another denomination that allows what she wants?

Answer: She wants to eventually force a rewriting of the Discipline and reinterpretatio n of scripture.

It's a shame. (-_-')
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+2 Jess W 06/26/11 01:29 am
I couldn't have said it any better. It's time that dissident pastors be pruned from the UMC. They would then be free to become pastors at a Presbyterian, Lutheran, Episcopal or Unitarian church. But by the own admission, they are not eligble to serve as pastors in the UMC.
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+1 Mark 06/26/11 08:36 am
Pastors are our teachers. Aren't they supposed to teach us scripture?
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+1 Dave Voris 06/27/11 08:24 pm
I'm 65 years old and have been a member of the Windfall (IN) United Methodist Church since I was 12. Will someone please tell me why I should remain a member of the United Methodist Church?
And don't tell me I have to stay to fight the good fight. The laity apparently has no influence.
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0 Bevo1 06/27/11 11:08 pm
In reference to the quesyion of why should I remain a member of the United Methodist church, I can only say that General Conference has, and will continue to uphold the orthodox faith. Unfortuantely, clergy who break their vows of ordination and the Discipline are free to do so with no material consequences. Laws are only good to the extent that punishment for breaking these laws is severe. The 20 day vacation Amy DeLong received is almost a reward for breaking the laws and doctrine of our church. So, as it stands now, the churche's BoD is meaningless, because their is no punishment for breaking our church's doctrine. You might as well throw the BoD in the garbage can. It has become meaningless. Until punishment is enforced, commensurate with clergy openly defying their vows of ordination and the church's doctrine, our Doctrine is nothing but words.
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+2 Dan 06/27/11 11:09 pm
There is no need for Evangelicals to leave the UMC. With growing numbers of Evangelical Bible Believing Christians entering the denomination in large numbers in Africa, Asia and the Bible Belt of the US while liberals continue to decline, the handwriting is on the wall. Heresy will soon cease in the UMC. The General Conference will be able to make stricter rules that will be unavoidable and disobedient clergy will be removed. Many forecast that there will more members from Evangelical Africa than in the entire US church within 10 years. The exasperating lack of integrity in Wisconsin is simply a sign of the desperation of a group that knows their misguided mindset has no chance of winning otherwise. Their day of influence and Satanic influence is coming to and end, and so their rebellion and eventual departure is unfortunately much more likely than their willingness to submit to God's authority and repent of their humanistic values. Please don't leave, God will deliver us.
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-1 Wesley White 07/02/11 11:10 pm
I am intrigued with the discussion here. One of the voices not heard is that our beloved Book of Disciplines says two different things. Some are more drawn to one than the other.

In many places it essentially says, "Do Ministry, no matter what!" and in some places it says, "Don't do that, no matter what!"

My understanding of the trial court, most of whom I know and it would take a very biased view of them to say that they were biased. The process of their selection was rigorous and half the trial court was changed during questioning of their views. They are representative and impugning them won't change that. They appeared to take the "Do" and "Don't" parts of the Discipline very seriously and were led by their hearing of the evidence to bring a restorative justice decision rather than a punitive one. I hope they will be heard.
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+2 Jess Wade 07/02/11 11:35 pm
As for me, I will not be staisfied until Gneral Conference adds language to the clause prohibiting Methodist clergy from presididing over same sex unions. This language should read as follows, "Any Methodist clergy found guilty of presiding over a same sex union shall be defrocked." Unless such language is added to our Discipline, Methodist clergy will remain free to not only disavow their vows of ordination, but the Discipline of our church.
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-2 Wesley White 07/03/11 01:54 am
Blessings, Jess, I understand that the standard of "satisfaction" is difficult to achieve in a system larger than one. It is as difficult as a definitive knowing of how much is "enough". It appears this matter of GLBT people being called to ordained ministry and gifted it for it is something that, for you, goes beyond "if your heart is as my heart, give me your hand".

You might be interested in Bishop Linda Lee's Blog wherein she says, in part, "Being in denial is not a position of spiritual strength. And I believe we have been in denial. The truth is that there knowingly have been and continue to be self-avowed, practicing homosexual persons both ordained and appointed in the United Methodist Church, at every level I believe. And for me, the reality is that it is not possible to legislate, berate, abuse, ostracize or exclude this reality away. Nor do I believe it is what Christ calls us to be about." [http://bishoplindalee.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/i-believe-we-are-one/]
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+1 Rick 07/03/11 07:27 am
Of course, nobody is suggesting that we "berate, abuse, or ostracize" anybody, but the UMC spent millions crafting those "Do and Don't parts of the Discipline" and they were not taken seriously.

Those "Do and Don't parts of the Discipline" were debated endlessly at General Conference, and justice was taken into consideration. To now trash our own doctrine in the name of "restorative justice" is shortsighted and irresponsible.

If you want to change the UMC's rules on homosexual marriage and ordination, the honorable way to do that is to persuade GC to change the Discipline. Whether you agree with the rules or not, the UMC has the right to set its own rules. To do an end run around those rules by refusing to answer questions about whether Amy DeLong is a "practicing" homosexual is shameful.
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0 Wesley White 07/03/11 08:18 am
Rick, as someone who has been a General Conference Delegate there is a certain sausage-making quality to the Book of Discipline. It is a work in process. I don't believe that it is a crafted document. Which is why it comes out with an "on one hand" and "on another hand" statements. There is room for a new paragraph to come from an individual, a local congregation, conference, and general board. There is testing of the Discipline in real ministry situations and a revision four or forty years later.

The complainant claimed the Discipline was for them a sacred book. Many on this list seem to claim the same. That's fine, everyone needs a benchmark. The best I can do is that it is our latest attempt to move ourselves on to perfection/wholeness.

Blessings to us all as we work on salvation matters with fear and trembling. Here it is time to be off for worship.
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+1 Bevo 07/03/11 04:24 pm
Persons entering the clergy of the UMC make a solumn vow they will uphold and adhere to the church's Discipline. Knowing our Discipline prohibits self avowed practicing homosexuals from serving as clergy, how is it that, according to Bishop Lee, "...there knowingly have been and continue to be self-avowed, practicing homosexual persons both ordained and appointed in the United Methodist Church, at every level I believe." Answer? They lied when they made thier vows of ordination. They lied. They're liars.
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